Subject - Manchester Velodrome

ReplyPosted : (Sunday 27th April 2008 ) By - Jarl Walsh (Unregistered User) In response to Martin McDermott's posting dated 26th March.
First of all, some factual corrections, the Velodrome preceded the Commonwealth Games by some years as it was built in 1995 as part of Manchester's bid to host the 2000 Olympic Games.
Secondly, it is commonly accepted to be one of the busiest velodrome's in the world. The opening hours are from 9am to 10pm seven days a week and the popularity of the track by cyclists is such that we can not cope with demand. I suspect, Martin, that the car park you refer to is the one by the barrier entrance off Stuart Street which is only used for events.
I am concerned that you feel the charges are excessive but the Velodrome is the National Cycling Centre and its charges have to reflect the costs operating such a unique facility. What your list of charges for the cycle track do not show is that they include the supply of a special track bike, helmet and an experienced and qualified coach. For safety reasons, we limit the number of cyclists on the track to sixteen so once you have taken all the costs in to account, the margin isn't that great. I compare the service we provide to the public to that of the Chill Factor (indoor ski slope) by the Trafford Centre. Both are unique sporting activities which require specialist equipment and facilities. The difference is, however, that it is a lot cheaper to use the Velodrome.
I have always made much of the Velodrome as a facility for elite cyclists, as well as the general public. You are right when you state that the Velodrome was intended to be a legacy and I truly feel that the local community has as much right to use the track as the successful members of our GB track cycling squads. This is why we offer sessions at the Velodrome which provide a cheaper route into using the facilities. Children are particularly important and our schools sessions are charged at £41 for a group of sixteen. This equates to £2.56 for a go on the same piece of track that Olympic and World Champions regularly train on. Remember also that all the equipment and coaching support is included in this.
Remember also the very successful Eastlands Velo Cycling Club, which is based here at the Velodrome. Run by volunteers, it holds three track sessions a week for local children and it is heavily oversubscribed. The charges applied by the Club are nominal and there are several members of the GB juvenile team who owe their success to the Club having been introduced to the sport via their weekly sessions.
For local community groups, we apply a discounted rate of £82 for a taster session (£5.13 per person). Again all equipment and coaching is supplied.
The Velodrome is operated by a not for profit Trust. Any modest surpluses achieved are put back into maintaining the integrity of the building and its track programme. Whilst I would love to be able to reduce charges further, it simply is not possible and the fact that the track is so popular suggests that, for the most part, our charging structure is about right.
I sympathise with your medical conditions and applaud you for investigating ways to improve your level of fitness. It may well be, however, that a taster session on the track may not be the most appropriate form of exercise you need to lose weight. Track cycling does require a minimum level of fitness and it may be too demanding for somone such as yourself who is not used to exercise. No doubt, your GP would be able to advise you on this.
You may be interested to learn that a group meets regularly here at the Velodrome with the purpose of improving their fitness by walking round the concourse. Organised by the NHS, the sessions are supervised by trained staff and it prescribes exercise to patients referred by local GPs. Badminton sessions are also provided for those seeking a more active form of exercise. If you would prefer to use the badminton facilities in a private capacity, we do offer cheaper off peak rates than those you indicated (£5.20 instead of ££8.20). Call the Reception on 223 2244 if you want to know more.
Martin - I hope my response goes some towards countering your view that the Velodrome is too expensive for the people of East Manchester. As a Trust, we do have difficulties in balancing our books, and our charges reflect that, but we do strive to make the service we provide as affordable as possible to everyone.
Regards
Jarl Walsh
General Manager
Manchester Velodrome
The National Cycling Centre
Stuart Street
Manchester
M11 4DQ

ReplyReply Posted: (Monday 28th April 2008 ) By - Technoboy (Unregistered User)

Manchester Velodrome

Hi Jarl
A very nice answer and there should be no complaints looking at it.
However I do have a question for you, and this concerns consessions for council/government employees or if you come from outside East Manchester, lets say somewhere like trafford.
Is this true and why?
This does not only apply to the velodrome, but other sporting facilities as far I am aware.
Considering we live in a regeneration area with low wages and high unemployment, I have noticed many of the sporting venues pricing poorer people out. Unless you belong to a group or similar, then you will struggle to participate at any or all of the local sporting venues. One of the biggest farces concerns keeping fit in a gym, many can't hope to do it.
I am not singling you out, and it is appreciated you took the time to answer, and it also makes me proud to be British after the magnificent display by the Great Britain Team at the World Championships. Job well done, pats on the back to you and your team as well.
It is just seems there is one rule for the ordinary folk, and another for the likes of Sean Mcgonigle and council/government employees.
Sorry Sean, had to mention you again.
Cheers
Technoboy

ReplyReply Posted: (Thursday 8th May 2008 )
By - Sean McGonigle (Unregistered User)

Manchester Velodrome

Can I respond to a couple of your points, Technoboy. Firstly, there are now a range of high quality sports facilities across East Manchester in addition to the facilities at Sportcity. These include Sporting Edge in Higher Openshaw and Wright Robinson Sports College in Abbey Hey which both offer a wide range of sports activities that are discounted for local residents. In addition a number of primary schools in the area open up their facilities for community use. We have also invested heavily in the parks and open space in the area, such as Clayton Vale and Philips Park and they now provide a range of leisure facilities. Sportcity has developed a wide level of community use into all the facilities and this is monitored on a regular basis. As a result we know that large numbers of local people are taking advantage of these world class facilities and we will continue to develop ways of getting more access to the facilities such as developing and supporting local sports clubs, encouraging schools to use the facilities etc.
Secondly, I can assure you that I ( and people like me whatever that might mean!)do not receive any preferential treatment or reduced rates as a result of working for the Council and I pay the same rate that any other user would pay.

Reply Posted: (Thursday 8th May 2008 ) By - Technoboy (Unregistered User)

Manchester Velodrome

Hi Sean
Thought I would get reply from you eventually, but I would have liked to have heard what Jarl's answer would have been, because I feel someone is telling porkies, and it must be you.
Obviously Jarl would have been put on the spot, and the fact you have come on the forum and tried to answer my question means there must be some truth in what I am saying, is anyone brave enough to confirm this. In fact I already know that concessions are given to council staff, all you have to do is flash your card. Maybe you need proof, perhaps there are people out there who have a conscience, and are willing to tell users on the forum and the people of East Manchester, how easy it is to get some reductions because you can prove you are a council employee. The same can be said of the emergency services, hospital staff, concessions are available for different things, but lets not pick on nurses who deserve everything they can get. In fact there are more, but I won't embarrass you further. I have researched this, and I have asked questions, and there are people out there who may well back me up if asked, but what would be the point, when I know full well you are not to be trusted with telling everyone the truth.
I wonder why you shyed away from the important point I made in another post regarding elderly people and bungalows, bet that hit a nerve, there no answer to that is there, you failed them misably.
You also mentioned other activities, some I am aware of, and yes there are concessions. They are not exactly the gym are they, or the velodrome, it depends on your preferences. There is a big difference in a gym workout to running round Philips Park. All you tried to do was divert attention from the points I raised about the big sporting venues in the area.
Just so people don't think I am ranting for the sake of it, here is some actual proof in what I am saying, you judge who is telling the truth.
http://www.heatonpark.org.uk/HeatonPark/What_To_Se... - scroll down to Championship Course Information, there you will see Discounts for Manchester City Council employees, and the emergency services.
This is only one such bit of proof, other venues cleverly don't advertise this fact, wonder why?
Cheers
Technoboy

Reply Posted: (Friday 9th May 2008 ) By - morsel (Unregistered User)

Manchester Velodrome

I live in East Manchester work for MCC and use the Sports City facilities and can catagorically deny that I receive any preferential discounts. If Technoboy wants to let us know who he has got these "rules" off, I could forward them to the relevent dept at MCC for investigation.
PS. I have lived in the area for over 40yrs
Thank You
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